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    Jamie Cameron

    I was sitting down the third base line at Target Field on April 5th, giving me an excellent view of Mitch Garver’s timely first big league home run. This got me to thinking about Jason Castro, and catching in general.

    OK. Let’s get weird.

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    When I first moved to the US, I worked in an upscale deli. I had just been given permission to work, and I needed money badly, a stable income for a few months to get up and running and on my feet. At said upscale deli, ownership (I like to pretend I’m part of a baseball franchise at all times), made us do regular tastings and scorings of the deli’s offerings.

    Folks would bring around a tray with samples and we would all score a given sample out of ten, with some brief words of explanation. I knew I wasn’t long for the food industry when others reeled off complex descriptions of how samples affected their palette, while I typically landed into two categories; ‘delicious’ or ‘not my thing’.

    What does this have to do with catching? I promise I’m going somewhere with this.

    Invariably, scores on samples were really high because the deli only sold delicious food. The one exception to this was coffee. Folks typically scored coffees in the 5-7 range, instead of the typical 8-10 range of other samples? Why? Because most (including myself) didn’t know what they were looking for.

    What differentiates a great coffee from a good coffee? Darned if I know. So what does this have to do with baseball? My contention is, tasting fancy coffee and evaluating catchers are the same. We don’t know what we don’t know, and we can’t always account for the subtle nuances that differentiate good from great. So I set out to try to gain a better understanding of the question; what goes into making a good catcher? Where does Jason Castro fall in these criteria?

    Hitting

    Let’s start with some general numbers on Castro. The reason I wanted to acknowledge hitting is it seems to me that there is generally a poor understanding of what an average offensive catcher looks like in MLB. Catchers like Gary Sanchez, Buster Posey and J.T. Realmuto tend to skew overall perception of what typical catcher offensive production looks like.

    Firstly, it’s important to acknowledge how useful it is to have a catcher who plays as much as Castro. In 2017, only 14 catchers made at least 400 PA. Of these 14, Castro finished 10th in fWAR (1.6). Again, of these 14, Castro finished 6th in OBP (behind only Posey, Contreras, Barnhart, Lucroy and Sanchez) and first in BB% (11.1%). While Castro isn’t a plus hitter, he gets on base enough to be a solid offensive contributor in a small group of elite catchers who play as much as he does throughout the course of the season.

    Framing

    This might seem like a weird place to go next. The reason I’m going here is that when Castro signed with the Twins, he came with a reputation as an excellent pitch framer. When Castro was brought in at the beginning of an otherwise quiet first off-season for Derrick Falvey and Thad Levine, his framing prowess was well established.

    In Castro’s final season in Houston, he got 96 more strikes called than expected, good for fifth in MLB. This, combined with the Twins transitioning from Kurt Suzuki, who got 38 less strikes than expected, had a significant positive swing for a Twins pitching staff expected to be mediocre at best in advance of the 2017 season. Several factors resulted in a slightly improved pitching performance in 2017, none more so than Byron Buxton. Castro certainly had an impact too, but what about the other aspects of catching we might be less familiar with?

    Regular Fielding

    ‘Regular fielding’ is an odd term. It simply doesn’t apply to catchers. While defensive metrics like UZR (ultimate zone rating) and DRS (defensive runs saved) give insight into most defensive positions, it’s too general to accurately appropriate to the catcher position. DRS, however, is a useful starting point for analyzing Castro’s fielding. DRS measures the runs saved or cost by a given player compared to a league average player at that position. In 2017 Castro finished ninth among catchers who caught at least 600 innings (34 catchers altogether), with a DRS of 10. Jonathan Lucroy was last at -15.

    Preventing Base Stealing

    Another important aspect is how catchers handle base runners. rSB is essentially DRS combined with stolen base runs above average. Castro is right around replacement level (20th in MLB among catchers who caught 600 innings) with a 0 rSB. Tucker Barnhart is first at 7.

    New Statcast data sheds light on Castro’s performance against base runners. Pop time measures the amount of time from the pitch hitting the catcher’s mitt to the moment the ball reaches the fielder’s receiving point at the center of the base. In 2017, Castro ranked 46th in MLB in pop time at 2.07 (MLB average 2.00). Castro ranked dead middle in MLB in his arm strength and second to last in exchange time. Essentially, he has an averagely strong arm, a slightly below average pop time but a far below average exchange of the ball from mitt to throwing hand.

    This resulted in Castro throwing out 26% of base runners, still good for a solid ninth in MLB, in a category where there is a large disparity between solid and great (Wellington Castillo, who ranked first, threw out almost 50% of base runners).

    Blocking

    Blocking is another element of catcher defensive performance that is difficult to measure. FanGraphs uses RPP (runs on passed pitches) which uses PITCHf/x data to attempt to measure how many runs a catcher saved based on the difficulty of corralling the pitch. PITCHf/x data may not be sufficient to inform this stat as it does not accurately measure whether a pitch should have been controlled by a catcher or not. Statcast may end up providing more accurate data to inform this measurement. FanGraphs’ last metric for Castro was 0.1 with the Astros in 2014, but a lack of data makes comparing him across MLB difficult.

    Game Management

    Finally, game management is the most difficult skill to evaluate in catcher performance. Catchers have a massive impact on how a pitcher navigates a lineup, where and what pitches they throw etc. Sports Info Solutions attempts to quantify game calling in its Catcher Pitch Calling Runs Above Average metric, or RerC, which is available at Baseball-Reference. Last season, Castro was seven runs above average per that stat. The only catcher to best that mark was Barnhart, who was 10 runs above average.

    When it’s all said and done, it’s extremely hard to comprehend how impactful Castro is for the Twins. At catcher, unlike any other position, there exists an intersection between offensive and defensive metrics which impact their contributions to their given team. Castro is a little below average offensively and above average defensively.

    If we were tasting a coffee named ‘Castro blend’ we might give it a 7 out of 10. That’s a score the Twins would gladly take over the next two years, as there are very few eights, nines and tens.

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    Yeah....I guess I felt like the 3 paragraphs I spent explaining my analogy would be enough for folks to differentiate between the two.

     

    "Cup of coffee" has a different meaning in reference to baseball players.

     

    Baseball Reference:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/coffee.shtml

     

    Cup of Coffee Players
    A player with a "cup of coffee" is one who has played only one game in the majors as either a pitcher or a batter.

     

     

    Probably not the best analogy in reference to Castro.

     

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    I have nothing against Castro but he is an average MLB catcher. Passes the eye test for me defensively has his moments offensively but isn't a game changer.

    Tell me why not Graver. Has hit everywhere he has played, put up good defense numbers in the high minors. Seems OK behind the plate seems more of a comfort thing then anything. Convince me why not Graver more moving forward or why should we.

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    "Cup of coffee" has a different meaning in reference to baseball players.

     

    Baseball Reference:

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/friv/coffee.shtml

     

    Cup of Coffee Players
    A player with a "cup of coffee" is one who has played only one game in the majors as either a pitcher or a batter.

     

     

    Probably not the best analogy in reference to Castro.

    Thanks for Fansplaining that one to all of us. 

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    Personally, I would never overpay for catching. I'm hoping that Jason Castro is the last Free Agent Catcher signed and that is nothing against Jason Castro. 

     

    I believe Catching should developed by the organization from the ground up and whatever they hit.. .they hit. 

     

    Once they arrive at the big league level. They should be on field managers and extensions of the pitching staff/team pitching philosophy. 

     

    If the Pitching Coach, Bullpen Coach and Manager is having a meeting talking about pitching. The Catchers should be in the room and part of the discussion. 

     

    I think if a pitching staff is struggling as a whole. Accountability is not only on the pitchers and pitching coach but the catchers as well. 

     

    Whatever they hit is a bonus. 

     

     

     

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    I have nothing against Castro but he is an average MLB catcher. Passes the eye test for me defensively has his moments offensively but isn't a game changer.
    Tell me why not Graver. Has hit everywhere he has played, put up good defense numbers in the high minors. Seems OK behind the plate seems more of a comfort thing then anything. Convince me why not Graver more moving forward or why should we.

     

    Yeah this is interesting. I don't think it's a crazy question at all. Garver simply hasn't played a ton at the MLB level. While I think he will, time will tell if his bat will play with the big league team. Additionally, he's not known as a strong defender, although there's always room to develop there.

     

    Finally, Castro is in the second year of a 3 year $24.5 million contract so he'll be the guy for the foreseeable future. If Garver can rake though, there's no reason to not get his bat in the lineup more. Tons of MLB clubs split catcher time more equitably than the Twins currently do (Dodgers are a good example).

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    I think the people arguing that Castro is ok or below average are exactly what Jamie was trying to explain away.  The coffee may have actually been awesome but unrefined palettes made it seem just OK.  I think the figures and explanations in the article help people like me who have unrefined palettes when it comes to grading catchers understand the nuances.  And based on the facts presented, I would give him a grade of 7 or 8, so probably a top 10ish catcher in my opinion.

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    I think when the Twins went with Castro, they were in a pretty difficult position, due to:

     

    1) Having Suzuki - who is terrible defensively

    2) Not having an in-house option who was major league ready

    3) The catcher FA market is always going to be pretty thin. I think Castro just ended up being really good timing for MN

     

    Agree that organizations should work hard to develop in-house options.

    Personally, I would never overpay for catching. I'm hoping that Jason Castro is the last Free Agent Catcher signed and that is nothing against Jason Castro. 

     

    I believe Catching should developed by the organization from the ground up and whatever they hit.. .they hit. 

     

    Once they arrive at the big league level. They should be on field managers and extensions of the pitching staff/team pitching philosophy. 

     

    If the Pitching Coach, Bullpen Coach and Manager is having a meeting talking about pitching. The Catchers should be in the room and part of the discussion. 

     

    I think if a pitching staff is struggling as a whole. Accountability is not only on the pitchers and pitching coach but the catchers as well. 

     

    Whatever they hit is a bonus. 

     

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    I think when the Twins went with Castro, they were in a pretty difficult position, due to:

     

    1) Having Suzuki - who is terrible defensively

    2) Not having an in-house option who was major league ready

    3) The catcher FA market is always going to be pretty thin. I think Castro just ended up being really good timing for MN

     

    Agree that organizations should work hard to develop in-house options.

     

    Agreed

     

    The new regime obviously was implementing a new philosophy with the Castro signing and that had my full blessing because the presence of Suzuki suggested that the old regime did not have a similar philosophy. 

     

    Now that Castro is in place and the new regime is in place. My hope is that the new philosophy is now implemented from the top on down. 

     

    Going forward... my hope is that our catchers arrive from Rochester and have graduated from the Falvine School with at least a 3.8 Grade Point Average.  :)

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    I think signing Castro and stabilizing the C position was one of Falvine's finest moves.  

     

    Not a superstar, but we're OK at catcher, and that's important.

    It would be perfect to have a Redmond type backing him up.  Dare I say, someone who can hit for a little average

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    Agreed

     

    The new regime obviously was implementing a new philosophy with the Castro signing and that had my full blessing because the presence of Suzuki suggested that the old regime did not have a similar philosophy. 

     

    Now that Castro is in place and the new regime is in place. My hope is that the new philosophy is now implemented from the top on down. 

     

    Going forward... my hope is that our catchers arrive from Rochester and have graduated from the Falvine School with at least a 3.8 Grade Point Average.  :)

    I guess I feel about catcher like I feel about all spots on the Twins roster...it'd be great if they developed their own above average players.  Ones you can win a pennant with.

     

    But when they don't (and they won't, nobody does), catcher shouldn't be ignored, just because the in-house options aren't good.

     

    Go get what you need somehow.  Wherever the need.

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    I have nothing against Castro but he is an average MLB catcher. Passes the eye test for me defensively has his moments offensively but isn't a game changer.
    Tell me why not Garver. Has hit everywhere he has played, put up good defense numbers in the high minors. Seems OK behind the plate seems more of a comfort thing then anything. Convince me why not Graver more moving forward or why should we.

    2018 will be a key year for Garver. Obviously it would be difficult to do this analysis on Garver for his work in 2017 because of the small sample size. 

     

    I see Castro as the regular catcher in 2018, but Garver and Castro switching those roles in 2019, in Castro's walk year. By 2020, Castro will likely be gone, and the Twins will have a new guy for backup. Who that will be, I couldn't hazard a guess. Top Twins' catching prospects are Ben Rortvedt and David Banuels, but both are a ways away yet.

     

    At AAA Rochester are Willians Astudillo, Jordan Pacheco (on the DL) and Bobby Wilson. Wilson is likely the first call-up if Castro or Garver get hurt, but he may not be around in two years when the Twins will need another back-up catcher. 

     

    Then there's Brian Navarreto, an excellent defensive catcher in Chattanooga.If he starts hitting, he could be the guy.

     

    At this point, there is no heir-apparent to the job, which is disconcerting for Twins fans.

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    Great article.

     

    My Dad spent 11 years as a catcher in pro baseball topping out at AAA. Even after 40 years of watching baseball with him I know less than 10% of what really makes a good catcher other than it changes, often from pitch to pitch.

     

    If there was such a thing as a truly elite defensive catcher who was perfect in handling the staff, the ump and positioning of defenders I would take him every day on any team if he could hit .195

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    To me, catching is one of those things that very few are going to be good at being a two-way player.  By nature, the defensive aspects of the game take so much time to do well.  Not just the physical, but the mental as well in order to truly be a good defensive catcher.  Between knowing the staff and knowing tendencies of opposing batters, there is a lot of prep to it.  Sure, the coaching and stats staff help with some of that, but to be able to call a game well with a variety of pitchers with a variety of pitches isn't just something that is learned over night.  That takes away time from working in the cage.  On top of all of that, there is a physical toll that playing the position presents.  Guys that can play average and above defense and still hold their own with the bat are a relatively rare breed.  I think there's a reason for that.

     

    I'll take a defensive minded catcher over an offensive minded catcher any day.  That position is too important defensively to be able to get by with a poor defensive catcher and expect to win consistently.

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    2 stories about Dad and handling the pitchers.

     

    A young kid with a real live arm but control problems. 12 pitches into the game and not a strike thrown. 3 went to the backstop and 1 run scored. Dad took the ball to the mound, shoved it right under the pitchers nose and yelled " I got too F----ing drunk last night to chase this so throw it over the plate and let somebody else run after it." 9 innings later the pitcher had his first no hitter.

     

    Another pitcher with a live arm comes in the game in the 9th inning with 2 on nobody out up by 1 run. 4 straight balls. Dad goes out to the mound and tells him if he can get out of this jam he will set him up with that pretty blond in the 4th row behind the dugout. Made the kid look at her. Took his mind off being nervous and 3 outs with nobody scoring they won the game. Later this year that kid and my Aunt will celebrate their 60th wedding anniversary.

     

    Controlling a game cannot be measured, it has to be lived.

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    Yeah....I guess I felt like the 3 paragraphs I spent explaining my analogy would be enough for folks to differentiate between the two.
    also being a Duluthian we do have another week of snow in the forecast
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